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You Can’t Spell Inclusion Without a D is a podcast produced by the Ontario Disability Employment Network that looks at the power of inclusion, disability and employment, and the business benefits of diversity and inclusion — including disability-inclusive hiring — from all the angles.
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Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
Ep. 31: The State of DEI in North America
Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
In our first episode of the 2025 season, we’re jumping right into the controversial fray of things.
We’re tackling a timely topic that’s literally dividing people and an entire country.
There’s been a lot of controversy, destructive action…and destructive conversation on social media about diversity, equity and inclusion, or DEI.
This episode is part one in a two-part series to start off season six. We’re diving right into the state of DEI in North America.
This is a compelling conversation with these three guests providing a perspective from both sides of the Canada-U.S. border:
- John Robinson — Founder and CEO of Our Ability, based in Albany, NY; he has lived experience with disability
- Danica McPhee — Equity, Diversity, Inclusion and Indigeneity Co-ordinator at Erie Shores HealthCare in Leamington, ON; she has lived experience with disability
- Ruby Latif — Certified Coach, Certified Psychological Health and Safety Professional and the Director of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Belonging for the Brant County Healthcare System in Brantford, ON.
SHOW NOTES
- Episode 31 transcript (PDF)
- Learn more about Our Ability
- Toronto Star Opinion column by Dr. Ruby Latif: Have diversity issues died? Maybe in the U.S. — but there is still time for Canada
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